The scenario described here, with the fictitious parents, is problematic in itself as it depicts what the activists want people to believe - that non-affirming parents are cruel and unloving and extreme in their own beliefs. There may be some parents like this but the reality is most parents whose kids are caught up in gender distress are actually extremely loving, compassionate, open-minded and concerned. When I was in grad school 2020-23 in one class we watched a fictitious vignette of a family whose daughter came out as trans (ROGD) and my classmates' reactions were extremely harsh toward the parents' lack of instant affirmation, and skepticism. The indoctrination of therapists starts in grad school and continues with CEU's and trainings like this one in NY. For a clinician or student to question the academic dogma, takes a great deal of curiosity, experience working with/raising children before social media brainwashed everyone, and a willingness to be constantly exposed to different perspectives (ie not living comfortably in a silo). Parents need to be very careful when picking a therapist for their kids, and I would actually recommend that parents get a therapist for themselves, and instead of sending their kid to therapy, purge the screens and get kids very busy with service work, physical activity and/or creative arts.
So we are to be placated by the idea that there are only 11 men identifying as women in women’s sports so don’t worry about it, but also at the same time all parents who don’t affirm are abusive, murderous, and leading their children to consider suicide? A self-serving mis-reporting of numbers, all in order to continue this cult-like indoctrination of children to validate the fetishes and maladaptive coping strategies of activist and trans identified adults.
"So we are to be placated by the idea that there are only 11 men identifying as women in women’s sports so don’t worry about it, but also at the same time all parents who don’t affirm are abusive, murderous, and leading their children to consider suicide?"
Brilliant rebuttal to one of most intellectually dishonest thought-ending ploys trans activists and their allies have ever come up with.
The scenario itself seems pretty plain, If only because it's so cartoonishly villainous. A suicidal adolescent is told to commit suicide by his or her parent, and is threatened with being kicked out of the house. It seems like pretty plain emotional abuse.
The inclusion of non-affirmation is mostly a curveball for those who are conscious of the issue. The scenario itself is unrealistic, but if it were to happen I would not assume online coaching because from what I have seen most coaching on what to say to your therapist is about getting access to GAM by expressing how you as the patient feel. I think it's very obvious that if you say you are being abused, CPS is going to be called and your family life is going to be messed up, so online interlocutors aren't going to be telling other kids "tell them your mom is abusing you" because it's was a low-cost path to success for them.
Not to say it would never happen, but without the resources and mandate of CPS, I don't know how you would disprove such a claim anyway.
Im honestly surprised that this exercise is being portrayed as calling SCR on a parent for non-affirmation.
That is not at all what I took away from it when I completed the course and when I saw it again in this article.
It appears very clear to me that the part of the parent’s behavior that is abusive is locking the child out of their home, not refusing to affirm a trans identity.
It appears to be dependent on where you did your mandated course. I took a version of the course that was approved to cover the mandate, but wasn’t actually put out by a government agency. It meant I paid out of pocket for it, but it had no gender ideology related scenarios.
Same here—although I’d read this beforehand so I was aware of the possibility, I also did not encounter this scenario in the training I completed—the only aspect that could be construed as “woke” was that they noted the overrepresentation of racial minorities and families dealing with poverty among those reported and asked us to be aware of implicit bias where connecting families with resources could be more appropriate instead of reporting
It did occur to me regarding that portion of the training that a parallel form of implicit bias could of course be a bias against non affirming parents and if I were confronted with a real life case of a parent who might be reacting that harshly and if I wished to steer the parent towards support instead of reporting them, the only community resources for parents of trans identified kids in my own city would not be ones I could trust at all to be supportive, and that is a real problem for both those parents as well as at risk youth
I can only hope the required thought training will wake just a few more people up. The more this scandal persists the more people will realize that they have been brainwashed into supporting abuse. Thank you to the whistleblower.
I was forced to take this and I was appalled. Especially as a Christian widowed mom of a trans identified teenager. The stigma associated with that example was deeply upsetting. It may happen but that scenario is WRONG . How dare they!
I get this is a 'scenario' and not an actual occurrence. I'm a fan of the LGB Courage Coalition. But yikes. A scenario where the parent 'tells their child to kill themselves ' is a absolutely abusive. It doesn't matter the why / how of it. Now you can argue it's an absurd scenario designed to skew towards a politician ideology.
But I don't see how any other answer but 'this is abuse' is relevant.
You want to win hearts and minds. This post is not the way to do it.
No one has sympathy for a parent who tells their child to kill themselves, or for a clinician that sees ideology being the most important thing here
Therapists already know they have to report abuse. This scenario is designed to indoctrinate mental health professionals into automatically thinking that parents reject transitioning because they are hateful people. The opposite is true. Most parents desperately want to save their children from sex trait mutilation, sterilization and a life without sexual satisfaction because a surgeon has chopped up their genitals.
The fact that it's mandatory training and that it uses such a bizarre scenario that is literally opposite of reality indicates that it's designed to promote transgender ideology. They could have used any example of a suicidal teen with a parent telling the kid to kill himself or herself. Instead, it's layered on top of a a story that inculcates what you could learn from tiktok about parents who won't support their children just trying to "live their authentic lives."
Sorry, but it's pretty clear this is propaganda designed to indoctrinate and reinforce bad thinking by mental health professionals.
I don't disagree with your assessment that this is propaganda.
If the author had stuck to only the j argument that the entirety of scenario was ridiculously biased and absurd, Id not have any objections. Instead the author actually accepts the absurd premise that a parent would say that and makes a really bad argument that the clinician should have been allowed to explore nuance. Presumably this seems to imply there might be good reasons for it, or other extenuation circumstances.
So the author validates the absurd idea that a parent might say to their child 'kill yourself.'. And then goes on to defend them. 'ah maybe they only said it once !'. 'ah it's because of pro gender ideology.'. that is crazy.
Please tell me any circumstance where if you overheard a parent telling their kid to kill themselves your first last or any thought is 'oh there must be a valid reason!'
Nope. You call child services or you go.to bed at night thinking you should have call s child services.
Still, yes, the scenario is biased and absurd.. I live in it! I have had friends and family seemingly question whether I support my child because I think child gender affirming care is driven by ideology, and not science.
They seem to want to judge 'am I transphobia or not.'. Its insulting. One in particular came up to me shortly after my child declared trans and just gushed about how wonderful of a parent I was for supporting my child. I initially supported social transition. Now she critiques my parenting to my ex, and won't even have a conversation.
was this scenario in contrast to others with less layering of red flags?? Because YES! you would call SCR if the child was leaving the school forever THAT day, AND was suicidal, AND had a parent at home encouraging* them to kill themselves! This would be last chance for a guidance councillor to act. Of course they would.
(*as reported by the teen - so it might not even be true)
if other, milder, scenarios are not in the training - scenarios where you would not involve SCR - it does seem like they are hoping the councillors will extract the message 'Call SCR' if *any* of these complications arise.
The scenario described here, with the fictitious parents, is problematic in itself as it depicts what the activists want people to believe - that non-affirming parents are cruel and unloving and extreme in their own beliefs. There may be some parents like this but the reality is most parents whose kids are caught up in gender distress are actually extremely loving, compassionate, open-minded and concerned. When I was in grad school 2020-23 in one class we watched a fictitious vignette of a family whose daughter came out as trans (ROGD) and my classmates' reactions were extremely harsh toward the parents' lack of instant affirmation, and skepticism. The indoctrination of therapists starts in grad school and continues with CEU's and trainings like this one in NY. For a clinician or student to question the academic dogma, takes a great deal of curiosity, experience working with/raising children before social media brainwashed everyone, and a willingness to be constantly exposed to different perspectives (ie not living comfortably in a silo). Parents need to be very careful when picking a therapist for their kids, and I would actually recommend that parents get a therapist for themselves, and instead of sending their kid to therapy, purge the screens and get kids very busy with service work, physical activity and/or creative arts.
So we are to be placated by the idea that there are only 11 men identifying as women in women’s sports so don’t worry about it, but also at the same time all parents who don’t affirm are abusive, murderous, and leading their children to consider suicide? A self-serving mis-reporting of numbers, all in order to continue this cult-like indoctrination of children to validate the fetishes and maladaptive coping strategies of activist and trans identified adults.
"So we are to be placated by the idea that there are only 11 men identifying as women in women’s sports so don’t worry about it, but also at the same time all parents who don’t affirm are abusive, murderous, and leading their children to consider suicide?"
Brilliant rebuttal to one of most intellectually dishonest thought-ending ploys trans activists and their allies have ever come up with.
The scenario itself seems pretty plain, If only because it's so cartoonishly villainous. A suicidal adolescent is told to commit suicide by his or her parent, and is threatened with being kicked out of the house. It seems like pretty plain emotional abuse.
The inclusion of non-affirmation is mostly a curveball for those who are conscious of the issue. The scenario itself is unrealistic, but if it were to happen I would not assume online coaching because from what I have seen most coaching on what to say to your therapist is about getting access to GAM by expressing how you as the patient feel. I think it's very obvious that if you say you are being abused, CPS is going to be called and your family life is going to be messed up, so online interlocutors aren't going to be telling other kids "tell them your mom is abusing you" because it's was a low-cost path to success for them.
Not to say it would never happen, but without the resources and mandate of CPS, I don't know how you would disprove such a claim anyway.
Im honestly surprised that this exercise is being portrayed as calling SCR on a parent for non-affirmation.
That is not at all what I took away from it when I completed the course and when I saw it again in this article.
It appears very clear to me that the part of the parent’s behavior that is abusive is locking the child out of their home, not refusing to affirm a trans identity.
It appears to be dependent on where you did your mandated course. I took a version of the course that was approved to cover the mandate, but wasn’t actually put out by a government agency. It meant I paid out of pocket for it, but it had no gender ideology related scenarios.
Same here—although I’d read this beforehand so I was aware of the possibility, I also did not encounter this scenario in the training I completed—the only aspect that could be construed as “woke” was that they noted the overrepresentation of racial minorities and families dealing with poverty among those reported and asked us to be aware of implicit bias where connecting families with resources could be more appropriate instead of reporting
It did occur to me regarding that portion of the training that a parallel form of implicit bias could of course be a bias against non affirming parents and if I were confronted with a real life case of a parent who might be reacting that harshly and if I wished to steer the parent towards support instead of reporting them, the only community resources for parents of trans identified kids in my own city would not be ones I could trust at all to be supportive, and that is a real problem for both those parents as well as at risk youth
I can only hope the required thought training will wake just a few more people up. The more this scandal persists the more people will realize that they have been brainwashed into supporting abuse. Thank you to the whistleblower.
I was forced to take this and I was appalled. Especially as a Christian widowed mom of a trans identified teenager. The stigma associated with that example was deeply upsetting. It may happen but that scenario is WRONG . How dare they!
I get this is a 'scenario' and not an actual occurrence. I'm a fan of the LGB Courage Coalition. But yikes. A scenario where the parent 'tells their child to kill themselves ' is a absolutely abusive. It doesn't matter the why / how of it. Now you can argue it's an absurd scenario designed to skew towards a politician ideology.
But I don't see how any other answer but 'this is abuse' is relevant.
You want to win hearts and minds. This post is not the way to do it.
No one has sympathy for a parent who tells their child to kill themselves, or for a clinician that sees ideology being the most important thing here
Therapists already know they have to report abuse. This scenario is designed to indoctrinate mental health professionals into automatically thinking that parents reject transitioning because they are hateful people. The opposite is true. Most parents desperately want to save their children from sex trait mutilation, sterilization and a life without sexual satisfaction because a surgeon has chopped up their genitals.
The fact that it's mandatory training and that it uses such a bizarre scenario that is literally opposite of reality indicates that it's designed to promote transgender ideology. They could have used any example of a suicidal teen with a parent telling the kid to kill himself or herself. Instead, it's layered on top of a a story that inculcates what you could learn from tiktok about parents who won't support their children just trying to "live their authentic lives."
Sorry, but it's pretty clear this is propaganda designed to indoctrinate and reinforce bad thinking by mental health professionals.
I don't disagree with your assessment that this is propaganda.
If the author had stuck to only the j argument that the entirety of scenario was ridiculously biased and absurd, Id not have any objections. Instead the author actually accepts the absurd premise that a parent would say that and makes a really bad argument that the clinician should have been allowed to explore nuance. Presumably this seems to imply there might be good reasons for it, or other extenuation circumstances.
So the author validates the absurd idea that a parent might say to their child 'kill yourself.'. And then goes on to defend them. 'ah maybe they only said it once !'. 'ah it's because of pro gender ideology.'. that is crazy.
Please tell me any circumstance where if you overheard a parent telling their kid to kill themselves your first last or any thought is 'oh there must be a valid reason!'
Nope. You call child services or you go.to bed at night thinking you should have call s child services.
Still, yes, the scenario is biased and absurd.. I live in it! I have had friends and family seemingly question whether I support my child because I think child gender affirming care is driven by ideology, and not science.
They seem to want to judge 'am I transphobia or not.'. Its insulting. One in particular came up to me shortly after my child declared trans and just gushed about how wonderful of a parent I was for supporting my child. I initially supported social transition. Now she critiques my parenting to my ex, and won't even have a conversation.
So I get it, but this post is still problematic
was this scenario in contrast to others with less layering of red flags?? Because YES! you would call SCR if the child was leaving the school forever THAT day, AND was suicidal, AND had a parent at home encouraging* them to kill themselves! This would be last chance for a guidance councillor to act. Of course they would.
(*as reported by the teen - so it might not even be true)
if other, milder, scenarios are not in the training - scenarios where you would not involve SCR - it does seem like they are hoping the councillors will extract the message 'Call SCR' if *any* of these complications arise.